Christian Zionist whackos for israel

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It would be funny if the consequences weren’t so dire

War is more important to these “Christians” than Jesus

There are millions of these people in the US and they’re one of the biggest voting blocks in the US.

The Pentagon loves them because they can always be counted on to cheer for war.

It would be funny if the consequences weren’t so dire

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The Clash of Civilizations for Dummies: Judea’s War Between Christianity and Islam.

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By Sabba, 16NOV17

INTRODUCTION – In this day and age where the Jews DO control the media and thus maintain 110% control of the discourse, most people have heard the phrase of “clash of civilizations”, a paradigm whereby the world of Islam has always been on the offensive against the Christian world, and many have endorsed it as the only key to understanding history.

It is widely accepted that this concept was born in the mind of the Israeli ‘historian’ Bernard Lewis and then popularized by Samuel Huntington. Given that all discourse these days where ‘Islamic’ issues are discussed, only do so accompanied by extended and completely erroneous statements about Islam, we are forced by those same rules therefore to highlight the jewishness of Bernard Lewis from the start because as a Jew, he sees everything with/through his own Torah lenses which teach one thing and one thing only: how to “utterly destroy everything that breathes” as a fulfillment of the messianic dream described many times within Jewish ‘sacred’ texts.

But contrary to the widely accepted view, this concept did not originate with Bernard Lewis and Samuel Hutington.

The idea featuring a Christian West fighting the Islamic East is all over rabbinical eschatological texts. It is not called ‘clash of civilizations’ per se but is described as the inevitable and apocalyptic fight that will take place in the end times between Edom (Christendom) and Ishmael (Islamic world) whereby each will annihilate the other, leaving Jacob-Israel as the sole survivor. As such, Lewis and Huntington have merely ‘secularized’ a very old Jewish and Torah-based view of the world and gave the Western Gentiles tailor-made Judaic lenses through which to understand our history and actively and willingly take part in what Judaism hopes will be the annihilation of both religions and cultures.

There are many main angles to approach this topic but in this part, we shall argue that in order to understand the Jewish engineered clash of civilizations, one needs to understand Judaism, what it really is, how it works and how it relates to Christianity and Islam from a geopolitical point of view.

PART I – UNDERSTANDING THE TRUE NATURE OF JUDAISM AND HOW IT WORKS

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Civilization is defined as the process by which a society reaches an advanced stage of social development, cooperation, and organization. In this manner, one cannot understand civilization without first factoring into it the issue of religion. All civilizations that have emerged on Earth from the beginning of human history have had a spiritual foundation, regardless of what that religion is or was. And all the world’s greatest religions, whether pagan or monotheistic, have led to a civilizing process and to progress.

All of them except for Judaism.

Unlike any other religion, Judaism has been at war against Mankind since it first emerged on the historical scene because, unlike any other religion, Judaism defines itself only in opposition to ‘the other’, whether other people and/or other systems of belief. It can not exist in a vacuum without a nemesis ‘to utterly destroy’.

Unlike any other religion, Judaism does NOT require belief in God and does not believe in Life after Death. It only requires obeisance to ‘the Law’ as laid out within the pages of both the Torah, and its exegesis, the Talmud, as well as allegiance to the Tribe. And although there is no immortality after death for the individual Jew however, the manner by which this is reconciled is by making the Jewish people itself immortal through tradition, the law, and allegiance to Jews as a group.

For the individual Jews, this life is all there is. There is no Judgement Day, no retribution for one’s evil deeds. This is perhaps the Jews’ greatest strength because they are free from the same moral constraints and guilt found within Christianity and Islam which allows them to empty an automatic rifle into the body of a Palestinian infant and go to bed afterwards and sleep like a baby.

But it is also their greatest weakness because their love of this world has carved into their individual and collective psyche an irrational and hyper-intensified fear of death, and it is this fear of death that has made them the world’s greatest cowards and deceivers.

Their disbelief in life after death is quite unique among the ancient religions in the midst of which Judaism emerged.

Ancient pagan religions all believed in an after life, though this was not granted to everyone but only to the most worthy, those who strove for it and deserved it. Rejoining the Gods, to be reunited with them was considered as the greatest reward of all. For the ancient pagan religions, life after death meant achieving immortality, earning Eternity and this is what is meant when we read that some historical characters became ‘gods’. For example, when Julius Caesar was deified, it never meant to the Romans that he became the equal to Jupiter. It only meant he had now become immortal, he was now floating in Eternity, in close vicinity of the ‘real Gods’.

But the Jews never reached any intellectual, spiritual and transcendental sophistication to understand what all other pagan religions understood instinctively and so the Jews rejected the idea of life after death and made the belief in God optional. Their goal is not to be reunited with their ‘God’ after death, their goal is to ‘utterly destroy everything that breathes’ in order to become the masters of this world and its riches.

It is also unique among monotheistic religions to have a ‘religion’ which does not require belief in God. While it is an oxymoron to be an atheist Christian or an atheist Muslim, it is 666% kosher in Judaism. This explains why it is so common to hear about ‘atheist’ or ‘secular’ Jews. For them, these are not contradictory terms at all. This explains why most of the materialist theoreticians were Jews, this is how a Moses Hesse could be a rabbi and a communist, this explains a Karl Marx-Mordechai Levy etc. An atheist Jew is still a Jew whose allegiance is to the Tribe, whether he follows the Law or not and the tribe will always consider him as part of them. And this explains why so many of us are fooled by Judaism because we apply to it our Christian/Islamic understanding of Religion.

Lastly, unlike any other religion, Judaism is always a religion in the making. The verses of the Torah are constantly re-examined, re-interpreted in the light of current events, for one purpose and one purpose only: identify who they must “utterly destroy” to achieve their messianic dreams of world domination.

PART II – THE MAN OF GALILEE

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One event or rather one man forced Judaism to come out of its closet: Jesus, the Son of Man, the Son of the Blessed Virgin Mary (PBUT both). Jesus forced Judaism to reveal itself for what it is: not a religion but a materialistic and satanic ‘philosophy’ which made God completely irrelevant and which was built only on the concepts of choseness and blind obeisance to the Law, in exchange of which they would be rewarded with all the world and its riches.

With the advent of Christianity, Judaism has taken a new shape and has since developed itself exclusively against the Son of Man (Adam?), his name, his legacy and anyone who accepts him as the Christ. With the advent of Christianity, the Torah had to be re-interpreted and a new strategy to achieve their messianic goals was formulated.

Esau is Edom is Christianity is Rome is Europe is the ‘West’ and Christendom has been upgraded to number one enemy to ‘utterly destroy’..

The gloomy fate of Edom which is described in the Book of Obadiah must now be applied to the Christian world in general and the ROMAN Catholic world in particular: “And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the Lord hath spoken it.”

The Book of Daniel has also been re-examined under the Christian Light and the Fourth Beast of Daniel has now become Rome and her daughter, ROMAN Catholic Europe.

PART III – THE EMERGENCE OF ISLAM AND THE BIRTH OF THE CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS

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But in the VIIth century AD, the rabbis had to revise their plans once again because a new comer emerged in Arabia – Islam. This new comer violently rejects the concept of Choseness, confirms Jesus as the Messiah and has elevated the Blessed Virgin Mary into the most exalted place and hailed her as the greatest of all women for all Eternity.

For this reason, Islam has been labelled as yet another enemy ‘to utterly destroy’. The Torah has been re-interpreted to include and adjust to the new geopolitical context and this is how Islam has now become Ishmael.

But Islam, like her older sister Christianity, has given rise to a strong and extremely rich civilization which can not be easily destroyed. The rabbis understood very early on that they would never be able to take on these 2 powerful civilizing religions and, Judaism being a work in constant ‘progress’, the rabbis concocted a new strategy that would ensure the simultaneous destruction of both – welcome to the clash of Civilizations as detailed in the Zohar:

“And in the future, the children of Ishmael are destined to rule over the Holy Land for a long time when it is empty from anything, like their circumcision which is empty and imperfect (…) The children of Ishmael [i.e. the Muslims] will cause great wars in the world and the children of Edom will gather against them and wage war against them, one on the sea, one on the dry land, and one near Jerusalem. And they [the children of Edom] will rule over them[the children of Ishmael], but the Holy Land will not be given over to the children of Edom.[The children of Edom is the Christian West, for Edom is Rome (see Num. 24:19, Rashi) and Rome signifies Greece-Rome and the Roman Catholic Church, the foundations of Western Civilization]. At that time, a nation from the end of the earth will be aroused against evil Rome and wage war against it for three months. Nations will gather there, and [Rome] will fall into their hands (…) There will not remain any power of any people on earth, except the power of Israel alone. This is the meaning of “G-d is your shade upon your right hand”. (Psalms 121:5)”

PART IV – THE REFORMATION AND THE JUDAIFICATION OF EUROPE

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Until the XIIIth century, the accepted judaic belief was that one day their Moshiach (our anti-Christ) would emerge in Rome, go to the Vatican, subdue the Pope, abolish Christianity, bring back all the Jews to Palestine and establish the Fifth Kingdom.

The XIIIth century saw a drastic change of plan on the part of the Jewish rabbinate. The very influential kabbalistic rabbi Nahmanides understood that they will never be able to achieve that goal alone, Moshiach or not; he understood that the Jews had to change their strategy and decided to involve Christian Europe: 

Edom/Rome/Christian Europe expelled them from the Holy Land. 

Edom/Rome/Christian Europe had to bring them back.

But medieval Europe was ROMAN Catholic, it was 666% anti-Jewish. How to change the European elites’ mindset and get them to become jew-friendly, and willing beast of burden for the Jews? Unable to do so ‘in the open’, they did by way of deception. As always.

The target back then as it is still now, according to Martin van Creveld, was Italy-Rome because this is where their Moshiach will appear. It started with the Jewish Kabbalah: they spread its teachings to Italy under the pretext that it proved the Trinity and the Divinity of Jesus. The first Gentile to incorporate Jewish Kabbalah into his writings was Pico Della Mirandola. But the Kabbalah failed to take root in Italy or in any Latin country for that matter.

It then moved to the Germanic states and took them by storm. The Reformation came afterwards as the natural consequence of Kabbalah poisoning, with tragic and devastating effects for Christian Europe, the consequences which are only now in full view.

Half of Christian Europe having now succumbed to the siren’s songs of Judaism through the deception of the Reformation, the ‘clash of civilizations’ could now be officially launched and the idea popularized.

It is in the XVIth century that it was ‘secularized’ for the first time and made available to the wider Jewish audience by Joseph Ben Joshua Cohen.

According to Heinrich Grätz, Joseph Cohen “began to search for chronicles in order to write a sort of universal history in the form of annals. He began with the period of the decline of the Roman empire and the formation of the modern states, and represented the course of the world’s history as a struggle between Asia and Europe, between the Crescent and the Cross; the former represented by the then powerful dominion of Turkey; the latter, by France, which had set up Charlemagne, the first emperor of a Christian realm. He connected the whole of European history with these two groups of nations. He included all the events and wars of Christendom, and of the Mahometan countries in ” The Annals of the Kings of France and of the House of Othman,” the title of his historical work.”

Cohen has popularized what was until then known only to the Jewish rabbinical circles and the Jewish elites. Lewis and Hutington have done nothing more than update what Joseph Cohen had written in the XVIth century and adapt it to our modern world

[NOTE – We must pause here and reflect and ask: why, out of all European nations, has Jewish Kabbalah taken the Germanic states by storm? What have they seen in it which all Latin countries failed to see? Or what is it that prevented them to see it and the Reformation for what it was-Jewish onslaught on Christianity – and made them fall into this Jewish trap? Why have the Germanic nations been seduced by the Jewish concept of ‘Choseness – Election’? What have they found in the Torah which ensnared them to the point that they have made it their most important holy book and made them turn their backs on the teachings of Christ? I will leave the reader to answer these questions.]

PART V – CHRISTIAN WEST vs. ISLAMIC EAST: A HISTORICAL REALITY OR A JEWISH LIE?

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The fallacy of the theory of the clash of civilizations is that it reads the history of the Muslim world under the light of the Quran, thus inferring that all that comes from there is religion based. It tells us that the world of Islam, by its very religion, is in a state of permanent war against Christendom.

Not only is it fallacious but it is an extremely dishonest historical approach because it would be like analyzing the bloody wars of Charlemagne or the countless wars of the Byzantine Empire before Islam under the light of the New Testament.

But the New Testament is never used to explain the wars of the Christian world, the Torah is never used to explain the 5000 years old Wars of the Jews against Mankind and yet, we are supposed to only understand the wars of the Islamic world through the Quran.

It is all the more baffling that the Old Testament is filled with orders to genocide while there is not one single Quranic verse which calls for an offensive war, let alone a pre-emptive war. Not a single one.

Dying for God is a common trait to all 3 monotheistic religions. However killing for God is entirely Jewish and was passed on to the Christian world through the Old Testament. 

It might come as a surprise to many but the idea of a holy war of aggression for God is Christian, borrowed from Judaism and was developed as early as the IVth century by St Augustine. Until the Crusades, we do not find any Islamic literature advocating a religious war of aggression. The concept of Jihad is something else entirely. With the Crusades and as reaction to them, the very Christian theory of Holy War of aggression for God had been conceptualized and the Muslims incorporated it and mixed it up with the pre-existent concept of Jihad.

It might also come as a surprise to most if not all Western readers, but the term ‘Infidels’ is a Christian terminology found all over European Medieval literature for the Muslims. The Muslims have never ever called the Christians ‘Infidels’, never. It was always the other way round.

The Arabic word Kafir which is always translated as ‘Infidels’ has quite a different meaning. Its primary signification is ‘ungrateful’, ungratefulness to God and not disbelief in God. Satan for example is called a ‘Kafir’, not because he disbelieved in God, but because he disobeyed his Creator. The Children of Adam (mankind) are sometimes called ‘Kafir’ whenever they show their ungratefulness to their Creator. The one thing it does not mean is Christians or Jews. On the other hand, when the Christians used and abused it, it was always in reference to the Muslims, never to those whom Christ himself identified as the Synagogue of Satan.

Lastly, it might also come as a surprise to many but until the world of academia had been taken over by the Jews, no Western Christian Historian ever explained the Islamic expansion or the wars the Muslims waged in the light of the Quran. More often than not, it was Genesis 17:20 which was used to explain the Islamic expansion, never the Quran.

The methodology to analyse the world of Islam by using and misquoting the Quran is entirely new, it is 666% kosher certified and has a 666% Jewish messianic agenda behind it and the West is falling for it, again despite Medieval History being littered with examples proving the exact opposite.

PART VI – CHRISTLAMIC ALLIANCES

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THE IVth CRUSADE

We shall give here only a few examples to argue our point:

1) The Ashtiname of Muhammad, whereby Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) promises excommunication and eternal damnation to any Muslim who who attacks any Christian and their property.

2) The alliance between Charlemagne and Harun al Rashid. Charlemagne needed an ally in the Levant against the Roman Empire – Byzantium. Harun al Rashid needed an ally in Europe against the newly formed state of Al Andalus in Spain.

3) Pope Gregory VII, one of the most influential pope we ever had, sent a letter to Al Nasir ibn Alennas where he states: “We and you in a special way, more than all pagans among them, we owe this reciprocal charity to one another because we believe and recognize, although in different modes, the only God and praise and venerate Him every day, as Creator of the centuries and Governor of this world”

4) There are countless examples in the history of the Crusader States (not to be confused with the Crusades themselves) where we have one crusader state in alliance with a Muslim principality against another crusader state which had allied itself with another Muslim principality.

The history of the Crusader States provides many examples of the Christlamic mutual and virile respect for one another when they are in close vicinity of each other. All witness accounts of the Second and Third Crusades describe the horror felt by the new Crusaders freshly coming from Europe at the friendly relations the Crusader States had with their Muslim neighbours. And William of Tyre explains to us that it was the new comers who always spoilt it for the Latins of the Levant and who destroyed the equilibrium that had been built.

5) Before, during and after the Crusades, the Byzantine emperors saw the European Christians as their greatest enemies, not the Muslims. And indeed, what the Crusaders did to Constantinople during the IVth Crusade (1204), their level of barbarity against their Christian Brethren had never been seen before and remained unmatched, not even the Ottomans could to surpass it when they took Constantinople in 1453.

It is the European Christian Crusaders who are the real destroyers of Byzantium, not the Ottomans. They weakened it to the point that it could never recover and regain its past glory. In the XIIth century, Constantinople was the greatest city of Christendom with at least 1 million inhabitant. By the end of of the IVth Crusade, its population fell to 400 000 people and by 1453, it did not have more than 50000 inhabitants.

All historians agree that it was the IVth Crusaders who paved the way for the Ottomans: 1453 could have never happened had 1204 not taken place and one might even argue that by 1453, when the Byzantines were triangulated, they deliberately chose to surrender to the Muslims rather than the Europeans whom they saw, and rightly so, as betrayers.

NOTE – Until the XIITh century, the Byzantines consistently refused to lower themselves into marrying European princes and princesses, deemed to low and beneath their Roman dignity. On the other hands, there has been many examples of a Byzantine Princess marrying a Muslim Prince.

PART VII – THE CASE OF THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE

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JOSEPH NASI

Following the Alhambra Decree of 1492, the Jews started wandering again. Their main destinations were the United Provinces (modern day Netherlands), Morocco, Venice, Rome and the Ottoman Empire. Most of the Jews who had fled to Venice and Rome were soon expelled, yet again, and these then found a safe heaven in Ottoman Empire.

During the reign of Suleiman the Magnificent, the Jews reached an unprecedented level of power, power which they never relinquished and which lead to a man named Atatürk.

According to Heinrich Grätz and Cecil Roth, it was under his rule that the Jews took over and dictated ALL of the Ottoman foreign policy to the point that a man like Joseph Nasi was considered the real ruler of the Ottoman empire.

The Jews ‘foreign policy’ can be summed up with one word: REVENGE against Christian Europe. The conquest of Cyprus, Rhodes, the siege of Vienna, the battle of Lepanto, all the wars against Venice, all the wars against the Habsburgs, were ALL decided by the Jewish advisers to the Ottoman sultans, who used the Ottomans as their attack dog the same the Jews are now using the USA as their attack dog.

Joseph Nasi is credited by Jewish historians as the man responsible for the ‘independence’ of the United Provinces from Catholic Habsburg Spain and for making Amsterdam, the ‘Jerusalem of the North’.

In fact, the power and influence Joseph Nasi had over Suleiman and his son Selim II were so great that Suleiman agreed to allow the very first Jewish immigration back to Palestine (Safed). For the first time since 135AD, the Jews were allowed to return to the Holy Land and settle there. But they did not. Why haven’t they seized the opportunity and repopulated Palestine en masse and even created the embryo of a Jewish State?

The reason is that it did not fit the agenda which must see Christendom ‘utterly destroyed’. Indeed, the only thing that kept the Jews alive as a group for the past 2000 years was not merely a vague dream of returning to the Holy Land some day but rather an insatiable hatred and an unquenchable desire of vengeance against Christ and his followers.

It was not Ishmael/the Muslims who kicked them and destroyed their temple: it was Edom-Rome-the Christians and only they had to undo what Titus and Hadrian had done. They expelled them and banned them form ever returning, only they had to bring them back and establish Eretz Israel for them, paying with their money and the blood of their children.

NOTE – It is interesting to note here that Suleiman is called the Magnificent in the West whereas he is known in the East as ‘Kanuni’, ‘the Law Giver’. We might wonder why the West who has suffered so much under his reign calls him ‘Magnificent’ when his own people do not see anything magnificent about him…

PART VIII – CHRIST: THE REAL TARGET OF THE JEWISH ENGINEERED CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS

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The Middle East, where Islam and Christianity have been living side by side for over 1400 years, never witnessed such clash of civilizations, as defined by the Rabbis and popularized by Lewis and Hutington. Indeed, the Middle East is Christlamic at its core: its branches might be Islamic but its roots are entirely Christian.

We saw earlier that during the short time where the Latins had established Crusader States in the Levant, a cordial and respectful entente was soon established between Christians and Muslims. The colonial period never saw the rise of ‘radical’ Islam against the colonial powers and the subsequent independence movements of the XXth were all nationalists in nature, not Religion-based. Why then would the world of Islam all of a sudden decide to destroy Christendom?

Islam, as a religion, has never been on the offensive against Christ, his Blessed Mother, his followers, his legacy. Judaism has. In terms of values, ethos and way of life, Islam has never clashed with Christianity. Judaism does. However Islam does clash with Western values. And so does Christianity.

The ‘West’ is a geopolitical construct while Christian Europe is a historical reality and, in terms of values, ethos and way of life, the West and Christianity are antithetical.

The ‘West’, as a civilization, emerged on the ashes of ROMAN Catholic Europe and it was not Islam which destroyed it: it was the Reformation. Western civilization was born when the Judeo-Protestant nations became the leading nations in Europe and, with Britain at the fore-front, the leading nations in the world.

Western/Judeo-Protestant civilization is built on Torah ‘values’, the most important ones being Choseness/Election and usury and as such, Western civilization has in fact declared war against Christ, his message, his legacy. Protestantism is the new declaration of war against Christ and here lies the real goal of the clash of civilization: Jesus himself.

PART IX – THE JEWS, DESTROYERS OF CIVILIZATIONS

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Judaism is a declaration of war against Mankind in general and the followers of Christ in particular. Judaism is the most corrosive and destructive force in the world, something all Jews know and boast about:

“The thing that makes Judaism dangerous to everybody, to every race, to every nation, to every idea is that we smash things that aren’t true. We don’t believe in the boundaries of nation-state.
We don’t believe in the ideas of these individual gods that protect individual groups of people. These are all artificial constructions and Judaism really teaches us how to see that.
In a sense our detractors have us right, in that we are a corrosive force. We’re breaking down the false gods of all nations and all people because they’re not real. And that’s very upsetting to people.” Dr. Douglas Rushkoff

Just as Judaism exist only in opposition to other systems of beliefs, likewise the Jews exist only in opposition to the Civilized Man.

The Jews have never built anything, have never contributed anything into the civilizing process of Humanity. They count for nothing and would have never made it into any History book had it not been for their systematic efforts of destruction of everything that is holy, wholesome and pure. They only exist in opposition to Civilization, their raison d’être is to destroy and corrupt everything God has created and destroy every Civilizations the Children of Adam have built.

“We Jews, we the destroyers, will remain the destroyers forever. NOTHING that you will do will meet our needs and demands. We will forever destroy, because we need a world of our own, a God-world, which it is not in your nature to build.” –“You Gentiles” Maurice Samuel

Civilizations do not clash, they cooperate, they engage in trade, they borrow from each other, the develop and flourish alongside each other, they live in mutual and virile respect of one another, as we witnessed within the Crusader States (again, not to be confused with the Crusades).

It is only the nomadic, parasitic elements who, unable to reach the same level of sophistication as the Civilized Man and who thus suffer from an incurable complex of inferiority, aim at the destruction of Civilizations to bring everyone else to their level. Wandering roots always create weeds within civilized lands.

Judaism and Judaism alone – not Islam – has made it very clear that it is at war against Christ and, by extension, anyone who believes in him and, while it should be clear to all true Christians and Muslims that their only salvation is to unite under the banner of Christ against their common enemy, it baffles the mind to see the Christian West almost looking forward to go to battle against the only other group of people who believes in the Messiahship of Jesus.

Judaism and anyone who accepts it, regardless of their DNA, has declared the Christians and the Muslims enemy because of Christ. It is time we reciprocate and declare Judaism, the Old Testament and anyone who follows it, as our enemy, in the name of Christ.

CONCLUSION 

CHRISTIANITY ISLAM

With the advent of Christianity, Judaism had redefined itself and its goals in opposition to Christ. Not only must they now achieve world domination, but that world domination can not be attained unless and until Christianity/Europe/Rome is destroyed, erased from the face of the earth which they hope will happen by pitting the only civilizing religions which recognize Jesus as the Messiah against one another.

Can it be averted? And if so, how?

The Christians must finally realize that the Jews are not their ‘friends’, never were and never will be. The Christians must finally realize that their only friends and allies are the Muslims. The Christians must finally realize that, while the Jews believe that Christ is a bastard, the Muslims not only believe that he is a Prophet of God but a unique type of Prophet: he is the Messiah, the only Messiah, who came and who will come back at the end of History to rule the world. The Christians must finally realize that what is discussed is a geopolitical alliance and not any kind of syncretism.

Russia and China are strong allies and that does not mean that the Chinese must now adopt Orthodox Christianity. Russia and Iran are allies and that does not mean that the Iranians must now all convert to Orthodox Christianity. Likewise, when a Crescent and Cross or a Christlamic geopolitical alliance is suggested, that does not mean anyone giving up his/her religion. The Muslims understand it; the Orthodox Christians understand it but for some strange reason, the Christian West can not.

The first step to avoid this diabolical Jewish trap is to get the Muslims and the Christians to unite under the Banner of Christ and to finally reject the Jewish Old Testament.

The Christians and the Muslims must give up their arrogance and pedantic claims that they understand the Torah better than the Jews themselves. How we understand it is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is how they understand it and live by it. And for anyone who still fails to understand what it means to live by the Torah, let them look at the Bolshevik Revolution and Palestine. This is the Torah put into practice. This is what Judaism is about.

The Jews commit all the evil which their Torah, not Herzl’s Judenstaat, orders them to do and it is the useful idiots from the Chritlamic world who always come to the rescue and defend their satanic scriptures. 

While we can somehow understand the Christian stance on this (because they made the monstrous mistake to include the Old Testament into their own Holy Scriptures), it is a mystery for me to see the Muslims do the same, despite what the Quran says about them.

All Muslims know that the Jews have re-written their Torah and have thus stop being the Children of Israel and became the Synagogue of Satan. And yet, they still fail to recognize that the Judaism followed by the Jews is NOT the Judaism talked about in the Quran.

Christians and Muslims must understand and accept that the Jews do not want ‘your’ Judaism: they only want the Judaism that was written by the lying pens of scribes in the tongue of their father the devil; they want the Judaism that teaches that it is perfectly kosher to defile, insult, blaspheme and kill the Prophets of God (PBUT all), they want the Judaism that says it is perfectly halal to rape children and kill all non-Jews.

The Muslims claim they love all the Prophets of God, that they believe in all of them and make no difference between any of them. We have seen their outburst of indignation and anger when Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is being blasphemed against. Where is their indignation and anger against Judaism itself which has made all the Prophets whom they claim they love, into the vilest and most disgusting creatures that have walked the earth?

Judaism is THE problem and it has to go and it will go. The Holy Quran tells us so in the most unequivocal manner: when Jesus come back, all the Jews will have to believe in him as the Messiah. In other words, when Jesus comes back, Judaism will be vanquished, Judaism will no longer be, Judaism will disappear from the face of the earth.

The Messiahship of Christ and the sinfulness of the Prophets should be more than enough reason for the Muslims and Christians to unite and jointly de-legitimize the Jewish Torah and thus prevent this Jewish engineered clash of mutual assured destruction between Edom and Ishmael. When John and Jesus departed this world, they had left the ax at the root of the tree. It is now for us to cut off the tree at its roots and it starts with cutting off all ties with the Old Testament.

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Trump’s Futile Efforts to Appease the Jews

Posted on February 8, 2017

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‘Israel accepts Jews only; and American Jews do not object to it; they do not compare Israeli leaders with Hitler or Trump…’

[ Ed. note – Israel Shamir is a noted author and commentator on Middle East issues. His books include Galilee Flowers, and Cabbala of Power. He is also a former Israeli and a Jewish convert to Christianity. In the article below he argues that the attacks on Trump we are seeing today, and particularly the strident protests over the president’s immigration ban from seven Muslim countries, are in reality a continuation of the war against Christianity, though under a different guise.

“The war on Christ and the Church is the most important element of Judaism,” he says. “Wherever Jews succeed, the Church suffers, and vice versa.”

In other words, the deep divisions we are witnessing now in American society are symptomatic of far more than simply political differences over how the country should be run. It is something much more primal and deep–and I’m not sure Trump fully understands this, if at all.

For these reasons, Shamir says, Trump’s efforts to win favor with Jews (by moving the US embassy, appointing hardcore Zionists to top positions in his administration, etc.) are likely to prove futile. He also notes something I noted in a post I put up a week ago–namely that the Jewish fundamentalists who hold power in Israel have different priorities from American Jews, and that appeasing one group does not necessarily gain Trump any ground with the other–and this also is not something the new occupant of the White House appears to comprehend fully.

Trump’s best hope of succeeding in his new job is to try and fathom the root source of the hostility now being directed against him. There are Bible verses that provide clues were he to take the time to read them–such as this one from the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:20):  For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.” As I have said elsewhere, “Christian anti-Semitism” was not the cause of the split between Christianity and Judaism. The antipathy to Jesus’ teachings was present right from the start. ]

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By Israel Shamir

President Trump had paid a hefty advance to the Jews. He did (almost) all they wanted for their Jewish state: he promised to move the US embassy to the occupied Jerusalem thus legalising their annexation of the holy city; he condoned their illegal settlements, he gave them starred positions in his administration; he told the Palestinians to drop their case in the ICC or else, he even threatened Iran with war. All that in vain. Jewish organisations and Jewish media attack Trump without slightest hesitation and consideration. His first step in curbing the soft invasion wave had been met with uniform Jewish vehemence.

He was called a new Hitler and accused of hatred of Muslims: what else could cause the President to arrest, even for a few months, the brave new migration wave from seven Middle Eastern states? Today he singles out Muslims, tomorrow he will single out Jews, said Jewish newspapers. Migration is the lifeblood of America, and the Muslim refugees are welcome to bring more diversity to the US.

Massive demonstrations, generously paid for by this notable Jewish philanthropist Mr George Soros, shook the States, while judges promptly banned the banning order. They insisted the orders are anti-Muslim, and therefore they are anti-constitutional. Somehow the constitution, they said, promises full equality of immigrants and does not allow to discriminate between a Muslim and a Christian.

This sounds an unlikely interpretation of the US Constitution. The US, and every other state, normally discriminates, or using a less loaded word, selects its potential citizens. The choice of seven states hasn’t been made by Donald Trump but by his saintly predecessor: President Barack Obama, this great friend of Muslims, made the choice personally some years earlier. So Trump had made a most moderate and modest step in the direction of blocking immigration by picking states already selected by the Democratic President.

One could reasonably claim that people of the seven states have a very good reason to hate America, and the reasons were supplied by previous US Presidents.

Libya, the most prosperous North African state until recently, had been ruined by President Obama: NATO invasion had brought Libya down; instead of stopping migration wave Libya had been turned into a jumping board for the Africans on their way North.

Syria is another Obama’s victim: by his insistence that ‘Assad must go’, by massive transfer of weaponry, money and equipment (remember white Toyota pickups?) to the Islamic extremists, he ruined this country.

Iraq has been ruined by President Bush Jr: he invaded the most advanced Sunni state, broke it to pieces and gave the centre of the country to the Isis.

Somalia has been ruined by President Bush Sr: he invaded this unfortunate country in the early nineties, when the USSR collapse allowed him to do so under the UN flag. Since then Somalia has become the supplier of choice of migrants and refugees for Sweden (there they formed the biggest community in Malmo and elsewhere), the US is also keen on getting them.

Yemen has been destroyed by Obama with Mme Clinton playing an important role: she facilitated delivery of weapons to Saudi Arabia in real time as they bombed Yemenis.

Sudan was bombed by President Clinton; afterwards this country had been dismembered and separate South Sudan had been created. Both halves became dysfunctional.

Iran is the odd one in the Magnificent Seven. It has not been invaded, has not been bombed, just threatened with invasion and bombardment for many years since President Carter. This country has no terrorists, it did not fail, its citizens are not running seeking for asylum. It was placed on the list by President Obama, who planned to bomb it, but never got to do it.

While Bush, Clinton and Obama bombed and invaded these countries, the Democratic humanitarians including their Jewish leaders just applauded and asked for more bombs. But they became appalled when Trump promised: no more regime change, end of “invade the world/invite the world” mode. Wikileaks put it well: bomb the Muslims, and you are fine; ban the Muslims, and you are the enemy.

Apparently, the people who instigated the Middle Eastern wars wanted to create a wave of refugees into Europe and North America in order to bring more colour and diversity to these poor monochrome lands. Welfare state, national cohesion, local labour and traditions will disappear, and these countries will undergo a process of homogenisation. Never again the natives will be able to single out Jews, for there will be no natives, just so many persons from all over the world, celebrating Kumbaya.

The Jews will be able to get and keep their privileged positions in Europe as they do in the US. They won’t be alone: by their success, they will establish a pattern to copycat for whoever wants to succeed in the new world, and masses of imitation-Jews will support the policies of real Jews.

Still, Jewish insistence on the Syrian refugees’ acceptance and on Muslim immigration in general is a strange and baffling phenomenon. Hypocrisy is too mild a word to describe that. We may exclude compassion as a cause for it. There are many thousands of natives of Haifa in Israel who suffer in Syria and dream to come back to their towns and villages, but the state of Israel does not allow these Syrian refugees to return for one crime: they aren’t Jews.

Israel accepts Jews only; and American Jews do not object to it; they do not compare Israeli leaders with Hitler or Trump. Israel had build a wall on its border with Sinai, and this wall stopped the black wave of African migrants. American Jews did not shout “No wall, no ban” in front of Israeli Embassy. Mystery, eh?

Kevin MacDonald wrote a thoughtful piece trying to unravel the mystery, Why Do Jewish Organizations Want Anti-Israel Refugees? and published it on January 17, a few days before Trump’s inauguration and full three weeks before the subject moved to the front burner. KMD correctly predicted that Donald Trump won’t appeal for “national unity” in his Inaugural Address, though this was the guess of mass media. Moreover, KMD correctly predicted that “Trump will announce an immediate pause in “refugee” admissions, currently surging, to be followed by a zero quota for the next fiscal year. There would be hysteria, in which the major Jewish organizations would, almost certainly, join. My (KMD’s) question: why would they do that?”

KMD provides a few possible answers, but none answers his own question. The world is full of troubles, and the US can get as many refugees as they wish from the Ukraine or Brazil, from China and Central Africa, without an anti-Israeli angle.

I’d suggest a simple explanation. Jews want to import Muslims to fight Christ and the Church.

Muslims of the Middle East are not, or weren’t, anti-Christian; they co-existed for millennia with their Christian neighbours. In Palestine, Christians and Muslims lived together and suffered together under the Jewish yoke.

But recently a new wind has blown in the Muslim faith, the wind of a very strong rejection of whatever is not strict Sunni Islam of the ISIS brand. Their first enemy is Shia Islam, but Christians follow Shias as a second-best object of persecution…

Continued here

Americans Are Clueless on Muslim Views of Jesus

I came across this video and thought I would post it for the fun of it. As I have said for a long time, Christians have far more in common with Muslims, who venerate Jesus as a prophet, than with Jews, whose Talmud contains blasphemous depictions of Jesus as well as his mother Mary.

Eichmann and the Jews

March 04, 2016  /  Gilad Atzmon

“The Jews are coming” is an Israeli comedy sketch TV show that examines the history of the Jewish people from biblical times to the present, broadcast on Israel`s channel 1

The ‘Jewish Covenant with God,’ According to Pope Francis

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By Richard Edmondson

The supposed “covenant” establishing the Jews as God’s “chosen people”—and particularly Pope Francis’ recently-articulated position on this—has been the subject of a very lively online discussion over the past week or so.

Francis is quite possibly the most philo-Semitic pope in history, and in November of 2013 he published his Evangelii Gaudium (“The Joy of the Gospel”) which included a section on the Catholic Church’s “relations with Judaism.”

In it he asserts, “We hold the Jewish people in special regard because their covenant with God has never been revoked…” which is a distinct departure from Church doctrine, a doctrine which for many centuries has held that the covenant between God and the Jews, as outlined in the pages of the Old Testament, was superseded by the new covenant in Christ.

The Evangelii Gaudium is a type of papal document known as an “apostolic exhortation,” and this one is quite lengthy—close to 50,000 words. Moreover, only a small portion of it pertains to Jews. Economic inequalities and the obligation to provide assistance to the poor are among its more dominant themes. For instance, Francis writes: “Each individual Christian and every community is called to be an instrument of God for the liberation and promotion of the poor, and for enabling them to be fully a part of society.”—a noble sentiment to be sure.

Indeed, ever since he was elected pope in March of last year, Francis has been an outspoken advocate for the poor. He has also become the darling of the mainstream media—which is quite curious since the mainstream media have never been known for expressing much sympathy for the poor.

But last March, one week into his papacy, the New York Times trumpeted Francis’ “passionate pledge” on behalf of the poor. An ABC News guest and Wall Street Journal columnist believes he “excites the imagination of the world.” The L.A. Times seems thoroughly enraptured that the pope has “deliberately shunned high-cost, high-falutin’ ways”; CBS calls him “a vigorous, accessible, even affectionate leader”; and of course last month Time Magazine named him its Person of the Year.

So what gives? What exactly is the agenda here? Hard to say for sure, but perhaps the discussion below will shed some light. There does seem to be a certain disconnect, however—even within the pages of the Evangelii Gaudium itself. For instance the document denounces unfettered capitalism as “a new tyranny.” Yet how are we to reconcile this with the view of Jews as enjoying a special covenant with God? How do we do so when Jews, and particularly Jewish media owners, have been among the greatest promoters and purveyors of the “new tyranny” Francis purportedly finds so objectionable? And perhaps most pertinently of all, does the occupation of Palestine figure into all of this in some manner?

A few years ago the per capita income in Gaza was estimated at around $600 a year, which would rank Gazans in with the poorest people in the world. This quite begs the question: in all of his pleading on behalf of the poor, what has Francis had to say about the conflict between Israel and Palestine? Very little actually, although it has been announced that he plans to visit the region in May.

At any rate, Francis’ position on the Jews and its implications for church doctrine—as well as what it possibly forebodes for the occupation of Palestinians and the theft of their lands—has been the subject of a thought-provoking, and at times intense, discussion on the Shamir Readers List. The list is maintained by Israel Shamir, a former Israeli and also a Jewish convert to Christianity. He is the author of a number of books, including The Cabbala of Power, which, if you haven’t read it, I highly recommend. You can also visit his website here.

The full text of Evangelii Gaudium can be accessed here, but excerpted below is the section entitled “Relations with Judaism,” and directly beneath that I have reproduced some of the Shamir Readers comments. Keep in mind, though, that this is an ongoing discussion, and what you see does not include all of the comments that have been posted.

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Relations with Judaism [excerpted from Pope Francis’ Evangelii Gaudium]

247. We hold the Jewish people in special regard because their covenant with God has never been revoked, for “the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable” (Rom 11:29). The Church, which shares with Jews an important part of the sacred Scriptures, looks upon the people of the covenant and their faith as one of the sacred roots of her own Christian identity (cf. Rom 11:16-18). As Christians, we cannot consider Judaism as a foreign religion; nor do we include the Jews among those called to turn from idols and to serve the true God (cf. 1 Thes 1:9). With them, we believe in the one God who acts in history, and with them we accept his revealed word.

248. Dialogue and friendship with the children of Israel are part of the life of Jesus’ disciples. The friendship which has grown between us makes us bitterly and sincerely regret the terrible persecutions which they have endured, and continue to endure, especially those that have involved Christians.

249. God continues to work among the people of the Old Covenant and to bring forth treasures of wisdom which flow from their encounter with his word. For this reason, the Church also is enriched when she receives the values of Judaism. While it is true that certain Christian beliefs are unacceptable to Judaism, and that the Church cannot refrain from proclaiming Jesus as Lord and Messiah, there exists as well a rich complementarity which allows us to read the texts of the Hebrew Scriptures together and to help one another to mine the riches of God’s word. We can also share many ethical convictions and a common concern for justice and the development of peoples.

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Comments Posted By Shamir Readers

From: Ken Freeland:

In his recently published  Apostolic Exhortation, ,EVANGELII GAUDIUM, Francis makes the following assertion:  “We hold the Jewish people in special regard because their covenant with God has never been revoked, for “the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable” (Rom 11:29). “On the surface, this seems as radical a volte face as we might ever expect to find in a papal teaching.  It seems to fly in the face of 2000 years of Christian tradition.  The following questions are meant to provoke and guide (but not limit) discussion:

1) To what extent does an apostolic exhortation carry ex cathedra weight?

2) Is this an accurate English translation of the original Latin?  (the title above is linked to the official Vatican web page, but there are some gross grammatical errors in the English language version I have encountered, so it is quite possible that this particular statement has been improperly rendered).

3) The Jews have been pushing for a long time for an acknowledgment from Rome that their covenant with God is still valid, and they apparently have found their vehicle in Francis. Assuming this be a correct translation, what are the implications for a “New Covenant” if the Old Covenant remains extant? Why did Jesus himself submit to baptism, and require it of all followers, and enjoin his disciples to baptize all believers, if the Old Covenant still remains valid? Did not Jesus himself say that unless ye are born again of the water and the spirit ye cannot enter into the Kingdom of God, or something to that effect?

4) How far can a Christian prelate, even the pope, diverge from the scriptural and traditional understandings of Christianity before his words become heretical?

Well, that should be enough to goad some responses, and I’m sure that there are a number of other kindred questions raised by this theological coup that others will add as we go.

I am looking forward to what others have to say on this score.

Peace, and happy new year to all.

Ken Freeland

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(2) From Michael Robeson

Dear Israel,

Here are a few, brief  comments from a progressive Catholic about his Church that he is often in disagreement with:

The official Church stresses Ecumenical dialogue with all other faiths, but in particular Judaism. Statements about other faiths, especially positive statements, must be understood within the context of the Church’s political effort to stress that dialogue.

Here I will use a daily example to avoid the doctrinal issues you’ve raised: During almost every Mass, there is a reading from the Old Testament prior to the reading from the Gospel. Most Catholics, priests and laity, understand this as an illustration that God has been speaking to his people since before the arrival of Christ and that the Old Testament possesses a value in illuminating the Gospels as fulfilling the promises from God found in the books of the Old Testament. This would be entirely consistent with the Church’s position, which has varied over time but which has been enunciated growingly over the past hundred years – Judaism original covenant with God has not been revoked, but rather has been fulfilled in his New Covenant with humanity through Christ.

But there is another interpretation, of the Old Testament readings during Holy Mass, that is no longer commonly enunciated. It is this: Hearing the two readings side by side, readings that have been selected by Church officials for their properties of illuminating the faithful, evoke in the listeners the idea that the second reading, the Gospel, is a clear improvement over the first reading and a deepening of the message that God intends his people to hear, to understand and to live by. Some of the side by side readings show the Old Testament to be not only more shallow and less divine than the Gospel message, but also show them to be misguided. Of course, only a careful listener would hear this distinction, and Church officials, including priests, do not go out of their way, to encourage it. The politics of Ecumenical dialogue being for more important. But prior to this politicalization of the Church, it was common to hear from priests and from officials a conviction that the Gospel message is so revolutionary in its philosophical depth and its intellectual understanding of the Divine’s interaction with humanity, that the Gospel could only be the sign of a radically new relationship between God and his people (all people!) and that an entirely new way of understanding that relationship must be enunciated. We have a New Covenant with God. Whether it revokes the first or fulfils it is a mystery left to God’s devices and is less important than knowing that Christ’s living presence upon the earth is a divine reality greater than the Old laws.

As one can see, the Pope’s statements can be understood in both contexts. I suspect that the Church, for its political advantages as well as for its public safety, intends it that way.

I could say much more about this, but I hope your other readers will find these remarks useful.

Best Regards,

Michael Robeson

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(3) From Michael Jones, Culture Wars

Dear Shamir,

We dealt with this issue a few years back in Culture Wars when Robert Sungenis challenged the statement in the Catechism of the American Catholic Bishops which claimed that, “the Mosaic covenant is eternally valid.” This statement is false, and the American bishops tacitly admitted the legitimacy of Sungenis’s claim when they dropped the statement from the Catechism a few months after the article appeared in Culture Wars.

The real issue is not the status of Pope Francis’s apostolic exhortation. The real issue revolves around the ambiguous use of the term “covenant.” When Pope John Paul II first made this claim, he was, according to Sungenis, referring to the Abrahamic covenant, which applied to all peoples. The Mosaic covenant specifying animal sacrifice, a Temple, and a priesthood to administer the sacrifice in the Temple was most certainly revoked when Christ died on the cross and the veil in the Temple was rent in two.

I hope this clarifies matters.

All the best,

Mike

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(4) From Robert Sungenis

Israel,

The problem for us is that it is hard to pin Francis to the wall because he never defines what he means by “Old Covenant” or “their covenant.”

Him and his comrades do this deliberately so as to make the issue ambiguous. It results in making it APPEAR as if the Jews still have a special covenant with God when they actually do not.

There are four possibilities to the “Old Covenant”:

1) the physical Abrahamic covenant
2) the spiritual Abrahamic covenant
3) the Mosaic covenant
4) the Davidic covenant

Of the four, the only 2 and 4 continue, since they refer exclusively to Christ, and thus they transition into the New Covenant. (cf. Hebrews 11:8-19; Rom 4:1-22)

1 and 3 were fulfilled in the Old Testament and have no continuation into the New Covenant. In other words, they are “revoked.” (cf. Neh 9:7-8; Josh 21:43-45; 1 Kings 8:56 cf. Hebrews 7:18; 8:1-13; 10:9; 2Cor 3:6-14; Col 2:14-15)

But the liberals, like Francis, don’t define their terms. They have been playing this word game for many years. The object is to confuse and make it appear as if there is actually some Scriptural or Ecclesiastical basis to maintaining a covenant with the Jews.

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If you remember, John Paul II was the first to make use of “Old Covenant” in his 1981 Mainz speech. He stated: “the Old Covenant, never revoked by God.”.

The 1988 paper on the liturgy by the USCCB got a little bolder and mentioned the “Sinai covenant” as still being valid, and this was the first time that there was a shift from “Old Covenant” to “Sinai” or “Mosaic covenant.”

After that, of those who were promoting that the Jews still had the “Old Covenant,” no one used either “Sinai” or “Mosaic” covenant.

Except in 2006, the USCCB Adult catechism resurrected the word “Mosaic” covenant on page 131. It stated: “Thus the covenant that God made with the Jewish people through Moses remains eternally valid for them.”

Seeing this, I wrote a lengthy letter to the CDF and the USCCB in 2007, and then wrote a major article for Culture Wars in Jan. 2008, stating that this was a heresy and needed to be removed.

That year, the US bishops had their executive meeting, and in August 2008 voted 231 to 14 to take out the offending sentence. The next year, 2009, the Vatican issued a “recognitio” approving of the USCCB’s decision. This was a major victory for us.

Interestingly enough, the USCCB is going to replace the heretical sentence with a quote from Romans 9:4-5 which, depending on the translation from the Greek, could imply that the Jews still have a covenant with God.

To be sure, the Greek doesn’t allow a present covenant, but some English translations do, since they slip in some words that aren’t in the Greek, such as the Protestant Revised Standard Version (1946), and that is the very translation that the USCCB is using in its revised Adult catechism when it is published. How clever. They won’t use the New American Bible (which is a Catholic Bible) because the NAB doesn’t add the needed English words to make it appear as if the Jews have a covenant with God!!

Needless to say, these people are experts at word games, and few people have the acumen or knowledge to smoke them out.

(If you want to know more about this issue of replacing page 131 with Romans 9:4-5, I’ve attached a paper I wrote on it that was published in CW).

Bottom line: until if and when we can pin Francis and his cohorts down to be specific concerning what covenant they have in view, we won’t get very far. They learned their lesson in the 2006 US Adult catechism incident.

Case in point: I was in a protracted discussion with Dr. Eugene Fisher, former director of the USCCB, in about 2007, about the “Old Covenant.” Fisher was touting that the Old Covenant was still the Jews’ covenant. At the end, I asked him what Old Covenant he was referring to, since there were several old covenants. That is when he terminated the conversation, and I haven’t heard from him since.

So you see, this is a word game. As long as they can use ambiguous and undefined terms, they perpetuate their agenda. It’s a brilliant strategy, devilish as it is.

Robert Sungenis

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(5) From Paul Bennett

On this issue, Pope Francis is simply echoing Benedict XVI: the Jews have a “Special Relationship” with God. If we are willing to accept the Bible in any form, then surely we must realize this. Most heresies have begun with an attempt to separate Christ from His Jewish roots. This is quite apart from anything having to do with the state of Israel, which is a purely Masonic invention.

Shamir and Kreeft have also explored this issue. They show us that without the Jews the Christian truth could not have been kept Holy and apart. It is so natural for Men to swap Gods that it requires a special group – an especially reviled and hated group – that is willing to forego the benefits of exchanging Gods and watering down doctrines with their neighbors. They remain an indigestible “iron ball” in the stomach of the world. Now we Catholics are that iron ball.

And yet the creators of the Old Testament have not been left abandoned by God in this New Testament world . After all, it was He who changed the rules of the game, not they, It’s not their fault they are so unchangeable; they were molded so by God Himself. To my knowledge it has not been revealed to us the nature of this “Special Relationship” and we have not yet puzzled it out, but it must be obvious that God, being all things Good, would not abandon an old friend.

So that’s where it stands today. The souls of the Jews are in the Hands of God. The best thing we can do for them is to resist and disapprove of the Atheist “Jews” (as we must resist and disapprove of Atheist “Christians”) who have served the NWO with such diligence and skill. I would seek out those who are farthest from God first: the lost sheep. Godly folk of every stripe should be left in peace. They will be curious, so we must catechize ourselves properly. We must live as lights to the world, or else they will not seek us out, nor should they if we do not.

The atheists and New Agers and Satanists and Masons who have strayed from God’s path must be instructed in basic logic before they can be approached with anything more advanced. The Protestant denominations and Fundamentalist cults will find themselves driven back to the Church as they chase down every modern fad and subdivide themselves into oblivion.

The only remaining group is the faithful, Torah-reading Jews who will never willingly turn away from their understanding of Jehovah. Should we treat this long-favored tribe as lost sheep simply because they did not change their spots quickly enough for us? Let’s bring our own lost sheep back to the fold before we begin to target groups who have never been our responsibility.

Pope Francis is trying to make us laity less legalistic, less ideological. He would like us laity to reach out to the lost sheep closest to us – not condemn tribes half a world away (in time if not in space). Instead, the Western clergy have decided to interpret the pope’s statements as permission to become more modernist, more like the world, and less Holy, less set apart, less like an indigestible “iron ball” in the stomach of the world.

Regards, Paul Bennett

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(6) From Ken Freeland

Thanks for this highly informed response.

I, too, had considered the question of alternative interpretations of “covenant,”  though not with your precise breakdown.  But I sensed a major problem in trying to interpret it as possibly referring to either the “spiritual Abrahamic” or “Davidic” covenants, since grammatically it really makes no sense to speak of a FULFILLED covenant as one which God “has never revoked.”  In fact, if we think about this for a moment, we realize that not only do these two covenants not provide common ground between Christians and Jews, but that their opposed beliefs as to whether these covenants were fulfilled in Christ is precisely a defining difference between Christianity and Judaism.  It would thus be contradictory to confirm this covenant as some kind of ongoingly valid covenant for Jews…with as much reason (and no less risk of heresy) the Pope could argue that Christians and Jews are the same thing. Either those covenants with Abraham and David were fulfilled in the coming of Christ or they were not, and if they were, it cannot follow that the pope or anyone else can speak of them, in a Christian context, as having continuing validity for another religion (which explicitly understands them as “not yet fulfilled.”) This , then, leaves only the Mosaic and the (“physical”) Abrahamic covenants. Of course, it is within these, if I’m not mistaken, that the Jews find their expansive hisotrical claims to the “holy land.”  So there is a great moral danger in affirming, even by implication, such covenants…though it would seem that this pope is far less concerned about the future of the Palestinians than he is about the future of the Vatican’s relations with Jews.

Peace,

Ken Freeland

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Pope Francis and the Jews—Part II

Dear friends,

Here is a continuation (second instalment) of ongoing discussion among our (chiefly Catholic) friends. This was initiated by Ken Freeland who proposed to discuss a very dubious proposition of Pope Francis re Jews and Covenant. I cc-ed this letter to ten persons in hope to get a brief discussion and form an opinion. We received some responses, possibly will get more.

Happy New Year and Merry Christmas!

Israel Adam Shamir

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From Jeffrey Langtan, Rome

Dear Israel,

I see that I am a late-comer to this discussion. But, here are my responses to the initial questions:

1)  It carries no ex cathedra weight. This apostolic exhortation is theological speculation by the Pope in which he wants us all to consider, in the case, how to better attract others to the faith. He is simply repeating in this document specualtive statements by John Paul II and Benedict. Letters like this one are exercises of the ordinary magisterium of the Church, but they carry less weight than an Encyclical. I suppose the idea is that the faithful are asked to consider with respect what the Pope says (in forums like this one, not by writing editorials in the National Review the day the document comes out), to test whether these kinds of speculations are in fact connected to the faith, or what value, if any they have. As many of the responses have shown, there are problems with the statement.

The Pope does admit in the same paragraph that there are irreconcilable differences, like the “Church cannot refrain from proclaiming Jesus as Lord and Messiah.” This is clearly stated. Something that was not always clearly stated when others in authority speak about the Jews.

2) The official latin translation is not yet available. The Pope tends to write things in Spanish first.

3 & 4) Bob Sungenis seems to be the expert on this one. I see from many of the comments, that there might be a lot of reasons why the Popes are doing what they are doing. At the same time, it is clear in this document that he is searching for ways for Catholics to deal with the Jews and this is a restatement of what has come before.

I suppose Popes feel a certain liberty to engage in theological speculation according to their understanding of where we are in history and how to approach historical problems. Francis spent time in Germany in the 1950s, and I think the fear of many is that he might be one of the last Popes with whom they can use the Holocaust as an image of control.

This is clearly an area where they are not infallible. That is, this is all part of an effort to create a language for dealing with the Jews that will avoid any charges of anti-semitism. Of course, this is an impossible task, as others have pointed out, and leads to other incredibly difficult problems.

I would say that from his actions with respect to Syria and his repeated calls for peace in Syria he is not simply in the pocket of the Israelis when it comes to Syria and the Palestinians. But, playing loose language with the language of the covenant shows the dilemma that has been set up since at least the 1960s. On the one hand, in most public pronouncements when Church leaders meet with Jews they speak about the covenant and how much we abhor anti-Semitism. Then, the same Jewish leaders turn around and promote all sorts of behavior that undermines faith and morals, using the “dialogue language” to accuse anyone of anti-semitism who opposes their efforts. For example, a few years back the US Bishops praised Rabbi Saperstein and 30 Catholic Universities invited to their campuses so they could honor him for his commitment to Catholic-Jewish dialogue. At the same time, he was, according to his own account of events, “single-handedly” bringing about changes in the laws that would recognize same sex marriage in the US.

Yours,

Jeff

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From Leo Schmit:

Thanks Ken and Israel for triggering this discussion. To me the whole affair would have passed by unnoticed even though I downloaded Francis’ text planning to read it later.

Judging from some of the reactions, like the one here below from Edgar, it seems to me that the ‘traditional’ Roman Catholics are not going to agree to the delivery of their Church to jewry, just like that.  Must we fear for a schism on this essential point? Another question that comes to my mind is how the Christian Zionists are going to take this, losing their Chozen Ones to an ecumenical coup in the Vatican.

Edgar and others point to the Council of Florence. A clear statement now overruled by Francis. Ken raises a good question concerning the notion of parallel covenants for both Jews and Catholics. Has all this ‘baptism’ been in vain for the last 2000 years? Because the old covenant is declared still valid? How much closer can one get to heresy?

I checked my old ‘Katholieke Encyclopedie’ of 1936/38 , N.V. Uitgeverij Joost v.d. Vondel, Amsterdam (ed. Titus Brandsma who succumbed to Nazi terror in 1943).

The KE quotes Rom. 25 whereas Francis quotes Rom.28: The KE (Bind 14) says: ‘The Catholic opinion about the continued existence of the Jews (LS: the Jewish faith) is founded on the historically nurtured psyche of the Jews and God’s providence (Rom.25), waiting for their eventual conversion by the end of times’.

Concerning the old covenant, the KE discusses the matter in God’s revelations to Abraham. First the KE makes the claim that monotheistic notions were already existing before Abraham. Then the KE continues: ‘However, Abraham’s call had a deeper significance than just taking up an old tradition. Indeed, God forges a personal bond with Abraham (‘innig verbond’)’, with circumcision as the worldly token, and He not only promises Abraham that he will inherit a strong people, but He makes also the more universalistic promise that through Abraham all generations on earth shall be blessed (Gen. 12.3; 18.18; 22.18)’.

It could well be that Francis bases his coup on the last notion, thus effectively restoring Judaism as the one and only founding religion and discarding Catholicism as its ‘modern’ off-spring.

Now back to 2014. What we see here is a push for this ‘judeo-christian’ ideology, which constitutes a great threat to world peace. As if it is not yet sufficiently threatened.

Regards,

Leo

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From Come Carpentier

I think that is the problem with Christianity, at least in its contemporary version. it still proclaims the special place of certain people in the world, as if there were a natural hierarchy of races and nations. As long as we won’t do away with that idea of the uniqueness of a certain people like the Jews, those who believe in it will keep going, pendulum-like from submission to persecution. They will either put Jews on a pedestal or try to suppress and/or eradicate them.

God has no chosen people or preferred nations. That is that.

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From Mark Glenn

For what it is worth, from this father who just had his 10th child baptized in the Catholic faith using the old Latin rite–

Bergoglio is a mere continuation of the Judaic-friendly popes beginning with Roncalli (John XXIII) who proceeded him. Given the haste with which his predecessor Benedict ‘retired’, coupled with Bergoglio’s origins (Argentina/Latin America, the next major political hemisphere slated to go through the tumult of CIA/Mossad inspired/guided ‘color revolutions’ that will UNDOUBTEDLY be referred to as the ‘Latin American Spring’) my personal feeling is that Bergoglio’s role is to continue on with the program of suppressing the Catholic world’s immune system with regards to the Judaic virus and then at some propitious moment, will lend his credibility behind the various uprisings that will take place in countries such as Argentina, Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuado and others who are firmly in the pro-Iran/anti-Israel/anti-JWO camp.

Those with the patience and the stomach can read what I had to say on the matter last year at Bergoglio’s ‘ascension’–

http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2013/04/05/habemus-papam-praise-of-new-pope-by-war-hungry-israel-not-a-good-omen-for-a-war-weary-world/

just me 2 lire worth

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From Edgar Suter

What could be more clear than the infallible, perennial, and unchangeable dogmatic statement from the Council of Florence?

Edgar

“§ 712 It [the Holy Catholic Church] firmly believes, professes, and teaches that the matter pertaining to the law of the Old Testament, of the Mosaic law, which are divided into ceremonies, sacred rites, sacrifices, and sacraments, because they were established to signify something in the future, although they were suited to Divine worship at that time, after our Lord’s coming had been signified by them, ceased, and the Sacraments of the New Testament began; and that whoever, even after the passion, placed hope in these matters of law and submitted himself to them as necessary for salvation, as if faith in Christ could not save without them, sinned mortally. Yet it does not deny that after the passion of Christ up to the promulgation of the Gospel they could have been observed until they were believed to be in no way necessary for salvation; but after the promulgation of the Gospel it asserts they cannot be observed without the loss of eternal salvation. All, therefore, who after that time observe circumcision and the Sabbath and the other requirements of the law, it declares alien to the Christian faith and not in the least fit to participate in eternal salvation, unless someday they recover from these errors….

“§714 The Most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews, and heretics, and schismatics, can ever be partakers of eternal life, but that they are to go into the eternal fire ‘which was prepared for the devil, and his angels,’ (Matthew 25:41) unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this Ecclesiastical Body, that only those remaining within this unity can profit from the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and that they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, alms deeds, and other works of Christian piety and duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved unless they abide within the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”

—Cantate Domino, from the infallible ecumenical Council of Florence under His Holiness Pope Eugene IV defining the Solemn Doctrine: Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus, promulgated by papal bull, February 4, 1444 [Florentine calendar] in Denziger Enchiridion Symbolorum, The Sources of Catholic Dogma, § 712-714

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From Ed Durst

Blessed John Henry Newman on “The Principle of Continuity between the Jewish and Christian Churches”

http://www.newmanreader.org/Works/subjects/sermon15.html

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From Yousef Salem

Interestingly, the three main religions have a unique characteristic in that Jews own upward (themselves) and deny downward (Christians and Muslims, while Christians own upward (Jews) and deny downward (Muslims), but Muslims own upward (both Christians and Muslims) since the Quran states that if a Muslim denies that God revealed divine revelatons to Christians and Jews then that person is not a Muslim.

Too, the term “Judeo-Christian tradition” is questionable if one reads those many parts of the Talmud that preach and teach extreme hatred against non-Jews, and they are far too many to quote here. One of many sources is http://www.rense.com/general79/talmud.htm  Scroll down to the sentence just above “Some teachings of the Jewish Talmud”.  There are far closer similarities between Christians and Muslims.

However, those Jews who adhere to the hatred taught in the Talmud are generally fundamentalist orthodox Jews and zionist Jews in general, whereas most Reform and Conservative Jews reject those teachings and many of them are very passionate devotees of Palestinan rights who emphatically denounce zionism and its adherents/practioners and well as their Christian supporters.

I am Yousef Salem in the United States of israel… until we take it back!

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From Oscar Porath

Fratres,

I come to think of John Vennaris clearminded and recent article which I want to share with you:

Pope Francis and the Old Covenant

http://www.cfnews.org/page88/files/e37738adb6edd892883b1b12f97030f3-161.html

All the best,

Oscar Porath

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From Tom Mysiewicz

I guess I missed something over the last few thousand years.  Why do Christians talk about a “New Covenant” and a “New Testament”?  I guess when G-d said He “divorced Israel”—as it clearly states in the Old Testament–He was really still married to her?  And, certainly, he could remarry her when convenient?  (Despite Hollywood practice, divorcees can not remarry under the Torah.)  One point of Jesus’ death, if you accept Christian epistemology, was so there could be a “Marriage Supper” of the Lamb, a new covenant, a new heaven and earth, etc.  If the “old husband” had died, the new Israel—including all the “lost sheep of the House of Israel” Jesus said he was sent to find–could remarry G-d.

I hope this pope’s conversion was orthodox!

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From Eric Walberg

JPII was the one who first argued ‘their covenant with God has never been revoked’ or is that part of Vatican II?

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From Sandhya Jain

I am no expert on anything, but I think that John Paul II did the Jews first stuff, Benedict continued it, I can find the references and send them later

Sandhya

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From Maria Poumier

Very interesting discussion about pope Francis. Let us remember there are a lot of tricks in translation, and people who publish about the pope are generally NOT Catholics, so they enjoy misleading us, suggesting what THEY want the Pope to say.

But I am afraid the shamirreaders contributors I have been reading about pope Francis are missing the point, because most of them are quite anti-Jewish, since the beginning, fond of tradition, and admirers of bishop Williamson, the kind of people who consider the church is quite heretical since pope John XXIII. So, in a very lazy attitude, they seem to expect  just a confirmation  that Francis is a kind of crypto Jew, or the new puppet manipulated by Jews, and it would make them happy to shout: “I predicted that since the beginning!”

Though I am also an admirer of Williamson’s  anti-Jewish attitude, I think we should not forget the reality of the political responsibility of the Vatican. On one hand, the pope has to represent the plain people of the whole world, and their demands of exemplarity, visible holiness, open minded modernity. And, on the other hand, he cannot attack easily the Jewish powers (Shamir’s work about the translations of the Bible should remind us how difficult it has been during 2000 years for the Fathers to escape from the imposition of the Jewish rhetoric. In the Christmas gospel, we are still obliged to mention Jesus as “King of the Jews”, which makes no sense at all nowadays, but remains since the old times, when St Paul didn’t succeed to make Christianity become a universal Jewish-free thing.) So getting rid of the subliminal Jewish propaganda is still … something to be, and if no previous European pope could do it, it is probably even more difficult for a pope who is supposed to represent the non European Catholics, the “inferior races” in the ancient colonial mentality, still very strong in many traditionalist Catholics.

As Shamir pointed it, pope Francis’s call for peace in Syria, giving a hand to president Putin, and creating unity of action with the Orthodox patriarchs, was a real victory of spirit and Christianity. He will be able to do more only if he has a mass worldly support. He believes in the natural religious spirit, good faith and good willingness of all the nations. Historically, no one can discuss that Christ was born in the Jewish world, and that we have no answer to the mystery of the steadiness of Jewishness, after 2000 years. In these days, we discover that Whahabbism is a heresy in Islam very similar to Zionism in Judaism, and connected with the same worst tendencies since the XIXth century. So contemporary official Judaism is not the only enemy of manhood, and certainly plain people from Jewish grand-parents are absolutely not our enemies!  The Pope cannot afford to hurt them namely, out of context, falling in the Zionist trap of “antisemitism”.

For plain Catholics all over the world, the important step is to feel accepted in the church, even if divorced, homosexual and a lot of old and new sins. And the Pope’s aura is all embracing: non Catholics too need to feel they are not rejected by him and by Jesus. I am sure plain Jews too… even if they deny it.

The same plain believers are the ones who fill churches with ex-votos, meaning they know we are not almighty, nor the Chosen ones. This is the radically Christian attitude, different from the typical intellectual, pharisaic style attitude.

In my opinion, traditionalist Catholics should avoid feeling themselves as the Chosen ones, because they know a lot about the old and modern Jewish tricks.  It is more important to feel as poor as St Francis, close to the dying drown boat people in Lampedusa and in so many places. The antizionist  Neturei Karta and a lot of nice Jews  have a real sense of compassion, why should we reject or deny that? It is mental health to start with compassion, in order to go further in spiritual elevation.

Our Zionist enemies will feel very happy if there is a schism between the Catholics. They know they are spiritually weak and cannot attack frontally the spiritual health that people are expecting from the Pope.  Don’t give them such a wonderful gift! Let us make all our churches stronger, and people will not fall in the Judaic moral traps, they will resist as a natural reflex of spirit (with God’s help, inch Allah).

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From Mike Robeson

Dear Mr Carpenter,

Are you and I the only ones in this group that perceive an over-identification with a “Covenant” as thinking like Jews when Christ is asking us to go beyond that?

The other writers, and learned were their remarks about the Covenant and knowing were their telling of its history in the Vatican, sounded much to me like school boys in a school yard fighting over candy.

“The Covenant is mine!” “No, it’s mine and you can’t have it anymore.” “I’ve had it from the beginning and so I still have it!” “Well God gave it to me, now, and that’s final!”

If we would like to offer the new Pope advice on more effectively and honestly spreading the Gospel, wouldn’t we do better to suggest he and his cardinals visit people who are being militarily and economically oppressed by the Judeo-Christian West and maybe even living among them and sharing their misery? Wouldn’t their faces on the Evening News in Gaza make a better example for how we Christians can fight against the forces that use our tax money to oppress our brothers in Christ’s suffering?

Mr. Suter may be correct in suggesting that Christianity, at least when practised according to the Sermon on the Mount, cannot become, as was its predecessor, a Master Race creed. But let’s be honest. History is replete with examples of nominal Christians slaughtering unbelievers in the name of Christianizing their race, and of slaughtering Christians in the name of purifying God’s holy name. Cromwell, anyone? British Christianity, up until the 20th century was no less exceptionalist and thought of itself as no less a light unto the world than Judeo-Christian America and Zionist Israel do today. The Brits may not have been Catholic, but didn’t the Spanish and the Portuguese seek Vatican approval for their depravities in the New World and their efforts at Empire building?

The entire human race, not just those who know of Christ’s name, was given his divine gift. And as you clearly stated, there can no longer be a “Chosen people” not after Christ chose to come among us to save each of us from choosing to remain what we were and to become what he is guiding us to be – Brothers in his Brotherhood.

Michael Robeson

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From Edgar Suter

Nonsense, Come. Christianity is not some Master Race creed like Pharisaism/Judaism/Naziism that postulates a racial back door to Heaven and World Domination and a racial chute to Hell.

Instead of DNA or accident of birth, in Christianity one’s “chosen” status depends upon matters of free will—baptism, belief, and behavior according to God’s Law. That is that.

Alas, I am not one of the “chosen” who can post to the group. 🙂

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From Ken Freeland

SUMMA THEOLOGICA

A week or so ago, I read, for the first time, Pope Francis I’s recently published apostolic declaration EVANGELII GAUDIUM.  I was shocked to encounter the assertion that “We hold the Jewish people in special regard because their covenant with God has never been revoked, for “the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable” (Rom 11:29). ”  I shared my discomfiture with Israel Shamir (who felt similarly on reading this statement by Francis), and he challenged me to register my concerns in summary form, which he would then disseminate to a group of Catholic-oriented colleagues, whose responses he later posted the Shamireaders listserve, which in turn provoked further responses.  I would like to summarize here some of what I’ve learned in this exchange, and make a few concluding remarks.

Many respondents were quick to point out that Francis I is not the first pope to make this stunning assertion.  That “honor”goes to John Paul II, who reinforced this position when challenged by doubtful critics.

Robert Sungenis elaborated the ambiguity of this papal pronouncement: it all depends on which covenant, or which interpretation of the term “covenant,” the pope has in mind, he observed, and tellingly, Francis does not specify.  True, this leaves the pope a lot of wiggle room (or wriggle room, if you prefer).  But the fact remains that by any interpretation it seems to fly in the face of traditional Catholic (and mainline Christian) theology.

Indeed, many examples of this are adduced in the spot-on piece on this very question by John Vennaris, cited by Oscar Porath.  The author can only assure us that papal pronouncements that diverge too widely from settled Catholic theology are to be disregarded, and that this church position trumps all others.

That’s  a kind of worst-case scenario, but not one that we can dismiss under the circumstances. A more sanguine approach was offered by Ed Durst, in linking to a sermon by John Cardinal Newman about the continuity between the Jewish and Christian traditions.  In this edifying piece, Newman argues that the Christian church simply perfects the Judaic understandings, in much the same way, he argues, as the Jewish did the pagan.  One could then argue, according to this interpretation, that God never “revoked” the Jewish covenant, he merely perfected it via Christianity. The problem remains, though, that Newman would not disagree that the Jewish tropes were obsolete, and this is exactly what Pope Francis seems to be implying is NOT the case!

Perhaps the most alarming note in this discussion was sounded by Mark Glenn, who refers us back to his prophetic claxon call written in the immediate aftermath of  Bergoglio’s assumption of the papal office.  He had foretold a pope who would do the Lobby’s bidding as payoff for their promotion of his candidacy by the Lobby.

On that score, however spiritually the Pope may have intended this exhortation, how do we expect Zionist-Jewish readers to interpret his remark?  Clearly, that he is reinforcing their claim to an eternal, divine right to the “holy land,” with all that this means for the oppression of its native inhabitants.  Doesn’t the pope need to be circumspect in his choice of words, and consider their potential political impact on the Jewish State’s long-suffering victims?

The choice of the term “revoke” seems to be particularly dangerous, as it implies that this covenant is irrevocable.  For “irrelevant” read: unconditional.  Today’s Jewish leadership will only too happily agree that their ethnic “chosenness” is forever, and not something for which they need to do anything in particular.  It is a privilege, an entitlement.  As is the moral impunity which appears to be inseparable from it.  How do the Pope’s words not fuel this hubris?

Indeed, it seems that the real issue bubbling below the surface is precisely this question of the conditionality vs. unconditionality of the Jewish covenant with God.  Throughout the Old Testament, there seem to be two opposite threads which develop in tandem, but pull in opposite directions, and this question of conditionality is what divides them.  Those who developed the so-called “oral traditions” that provided a gloss to the Torah (and which were eventually enshrined in the Talmud), tended towards the belief in unconditionality:  Jewishness is a birthright dispensation from universal moral law.  Those who understood it as conditional formed the prophetic line of Judaism (fail to uphold the moral law, and there will be natural consequences). Jesus openly aligned himself with the latter, as he openly repudiated the former.  He clearly warned its adherents that the vineyard could be taken away from them and given to others who WOULD bear fruit, and that their freedom and salvation was in no way grounded in being children of Abraham (i.e., heirs of his covenant).  As the John the Baptist had earlier quipped: “God can make children of Abraham from these stones!”  Jesus represented the culminated of the (persecuted) prophets:  either put up (repent and accept the Kingdom of God in your midst) or shut up (get out of the way and let those who are willing to bear fruit do so, whatever their ethnicity).  For a pope to suggest otherwise, that this covenant was not abrogated due to the unwillingness of the Jews to uphold its responsibilities, seems to blithely ignore this gospel account.

Peace,

Ken

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From Israel Shamir

Not being a Catholic, I was not keen on expressing an opinion, but now, when people spoke, probably I can add. There is another debate, among my Orthodox Christian readers, whether the Catholics are saved; and we know that the Florentine document quoted in a previous installment claimed that the Orthodox Christians (“Schismatics”) are not saved, as well as Jews.

For present-day mentality, it is very difficult to accept that one has to choose which of the Patriarchs, that of Rome or that of Moscow and Jerusalem, is blessed or damned. We feel that both are blessed and blessing. And if you agree that these two branches of  Christendom are both saving, then you are under pressure to accept Muslims and Jews in the Divine plans.

There were no recent pronouncements by the Orthodox divines on the subject, but the Patriarch of Moscow said something quite similar years ago, when he was just a bishop on a visit in the US. Apparently there is a political expediency of such a sort. Perhaps one can view it as a form of politeness with little substance behind. The Russian church is not Judeophilic, but certainly not antisemitic in a racial sense.

The question of converting Jews is not the most important nowadays in the West, while in Russia the conversion of Jews has become a mass phenomenon – without a special effort of the church. As many Russians go to church of Sundays, Jews who live among them also join them and eventually baptise. The Russian Church avoids dialogue with Jews, and this is probably wise.

The problems can’t be localised to Jews: in France, the enforcement of gay marriages and elimination of gender identity are supported by some Jews, but mainly by people in power, who are of Christian parentage. Anyway it is good that we discussed this topic; the Church will learn of it and thus our views will be delivered to the Vatican as a sort of talk-back.

As for my view, God’s mercy and grace are great and He can save anybody of whatever church and faith if he wills so, even a Muslim or a Jew. This is good thing to remember today, on Christmas Eve, by the calendar of Jerusalem where I am now.

My blessings and best wishes to you all from Christ Nativity Church in Bethlehem!

Israel Adam Shamir

Vatican rejects ridiculous “chosen people” claim, calls on Israel to end “occupation”

http://rt.com/politics/vatican-israel-palestinians-catholic/

A high-ranking Israeli official on Sunday slammed a statement from Catholic bishops, who called for international organizations to lead the cause of Palestinian statehood.

Greek-Melchite Archbishop Cyrille Bustros sparked an interreligious firestorm when he suggested that Israel was “using Scripture” to continue its occupation of Palestinian territory.

“The Holy Scriptures cannot be used to justify the return of Jews to Israel and the displacement of the Palestinians,” Bustros said at the close of a two-week conference in Rome, Italy, “to justify the occupation by Israel of Palestinian lands.”

The Archbishop then questioned the biblical idea of a “promised land” set aside by a specific group of people.

“We Christians cannot speak of the promised land as an exclusive right for a privileged Jewish people,” Bustros continued. “This promise was nullified by Christ. There is no longer a chosen people – all men and women of all countries have become the chosen people.”

Bustros led the group that drafted the synod’s concluding statement on Israel and the Palestinians.

The controversial comments came at the conclusion of a two-week Vatican conference assembled to discuss the plight of Christians in the Middle East.

Pope Benedict XVI was in attendance at the synod and celebrated Mass in St. Peter’s Cathedral on Sunday with the bishops.

Israel responds

On Sunday, Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon criticized the concluding statement of the conference, saying the forum has been “hijacked by an anti-Israeli majority.”

“We express our disappointment that this important synod has become a forum for political attacks on Israel in the best history of Arab propaganda,” Ayalon said in a statement. “The synod was hijacked by an anti-Israel majority.”

Ayalon then called on the Vatican to distance itself from the comments, which the Israeli official said amounted to “libel.”

“We call on the Vatican to distance themselves from Archbishop Bustros’ comments which are a libel against the Jewish People and the State of Israel and should not be construed as the Vatican’s official position,” the foreign minister said in his statement. “These outrageous comments should not cast a shadow over the important relationship between the Vatican, the state of Israel and the Jewish people.”

The Palestinian Authority, however, praised Bustros’ comments.

“Israel cannot use the biblical concept of a promised land or chosen people to justify new settlements in Jerusalem or Israeli territorial claims,” Saeb Erakat, a spokesman for Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, said in a statement released Sunday.

Erakat said the synod sent “a clear a message to the government of Israel that it may not claim that Jerusalem is an exclusively Israeli city.”

“The Palestinian people will thus have an independent and sovereign homeland where they can live with dignity and security,” the statement continued optimistically. “The State of Israel will be able to enjoy peace and security within their internationally recognized borders.”

“The Holy City of Jerusalem will be able to acquire its proper status, which respects its particular character, its holiness and the religious patrimony of the three religions: Jewish, Christian and Muslim,” it said. “We hope that the two-state-solution might become a reality and not a dream only.”

Pope Benedict XVI first called for a two-state solution to the Middle East crisis during a visit to the region in May 2009 when he voiced the Vatican’s support of a sovereign Palestinian homeland. At the time, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was opposed to a two-state solution.

The Vatican, however, eager to boost its sagging popularity worldwide, noted during the synod that only 2.1 per cent of those living in Israel are Christian, who continue to be outnumbered by high Jewish and Muslim birthrates.

The Catholic Church also mentioned conflict, religious discrimination and economic woes as the cause of its shrinking influence in the Middle East.

No sign of apology

The Vatican in January blamed Israel not only for the exodus of Christians from Palestinian-controlled territories, but for the plight of Christians across the entire Middle East.

The statement, which served as the basis for the latest Vatican synod, was also authored by Arab bishops from the Middle East, who argued that Israel’s “occupation” of Arab-claimed lands is the root cause of most of the oppression suffered by Christians in the region.

They suggested that in the absence of an “occupation,” radical Islamic forces across the Middle East would lose their support base, and stop causing problems for Christians.

The Vatican said they were not trying to take sides in the issue, but that the Arab bishops “know the situation well.”

This is not the first time of late that religious tensions have boiled over between the adherents of Judaism and Christianity.

Earlier this year, the Catholic Church became suddenly embroiled in a string of pedophile cases, some of them dating back many years. Some inside of the Catholic Church saw a “Jewish conspiracy” behind the reports.

Cardinal Oscar Andres Rodriguez Meridiaga, the archbishop of Honduras, said there was something curious about the media’s timing of the revelations, coming as they did as the conflict in the Middle East was heating up.

“It certainly makes me think that in a moment in which all the attention of the mass media was focused on the Middle East, all the many injustices done against the Palestinian people, the print media and the TV in the United States became obsessed with sexual scandals that happened 40 years ago, 30 years ago…”

L’Osservatore Romano, the Vatican’s daily newspaper, criticized what it said was a “clear and despicable intention” by the media to strike at Benedict “at any cost.”

American lawyer Alan Dershowitz, a well known defender of Israeli interests, called the Cardinal’s assertions a “cockamamie theory” and “blood libels,” while arguing that much of the criticism (concerning the pedophile cases) “comes from disappointed Catholics.”

Strange how two religions that emerged from the same seed are so committed to dragging each other down at every opportunity.

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